I ordered them from F8IZHIS, maybe they changed their hard-pipe design. I am kind of mad because the Greddy kit came with hardpipes, so now I have 2 sets of hardpipes. I could have gotten the greddy ones polished and I would have about $200 extra, ohh well :) I thought the Greddy kit only came with the hardpipes that connect directly to the turbos, ohh well I was mis-informed :) If you have any other questions, please ask :)